by Rationalist
This article is an attempt to settle the confusion once and for all on this topic. Over the duration of my exodus from the ‘A’ I have engaged with many Ahmadis on the internet as they denied all statements wherein Mirza Ghulam Ahmad called us Kafir. They vehemently deny all of our accusations of Takfeer from the ‘A’. They act like as if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad never called us Kafir in any way shape or form. They act as if we are wrongfully accusing them of Takfeer on us. This article is intended to settle the debate once and for all.
It is important to note that there are 3 phases in the career of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. The first phase is from 1878 thru 1890, or the “Planning-Phase”. The second phase is 1891 thru Nov. 5th, 1901, or the “Messiah-Phase”. The 3rd phase is Nov 5th, 1901 to May 25th, 1908 or the “Prophethood-Phase”.
In 1891, as soon as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad announced his claim to messiah-ship the ulema of India unanimously declared him as Badmaash (trouble-maker), Dajjal and Kafir. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad remained silent in terms of a Fatwa until 1899. In 1899, he slowly began his campaign of Takfeer upon Muslims. He planned to slowly elevate his ideas in the same fashion as he had slowly begun to claim to be Esa (as) (nauozobillah) circa 1884. In 1899 in his book entitled “Tiryaq ul Qulub” (Elixer of the Hearts) he wrote that only those prophets who bring law could declare their deniers as Kafirs. Thus, telling the world that he didn’t consider the Muslims that rejected him as Kafirs. He didnt consider himself a Nabi either at this point in his career, nor had he claimed to be Muhammad (saw) (naozobillah) as of yet, which in itself is Kufr.
The year of 1900 is considered a period of transition in the career of MGAQ, Mahmud Ahmad writes:
“…the issue of prophethood became clear to him in 1900 or 1901, and as Ayk Ghalati Ka Izala was published in 1901, in which he has proclaimed his prophethood most forcefully, this shows that he made a change in his belief in 1901. . . . It is proved that the references dating prior to the year 1901 in which he has denied being a prophet, are now abrogated and it is an error to use them as evidence.” (see Mahmud Ahmad’s “Reality of Prophethood [1915] page 121).
In 1902 he wrote a book entitled “Tufha tun Nadwah”, he wrote therein that even Muslims who had denied his claim were going to be held accountable by Allah. So far, for 11 years, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad hadn’t mentioned anything about a hadith of Muhammad (Saw) that automatically made all Muslims Kafirs. He had never written about it nor had he even quoted it in terms of his disbelievers. This is an undeniable fact. If any Ahmadi disagrees with me they are free to show me. The same year he had a controversy with the Ulema of Nadwah, MGAQ wrote to them that they would be accountable to Allah for rejecting him. However, no straight-forward declaration of Takfeer had been issued as of yet.
In late 1905, early 1906, a controversy between Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and one of his earliest followers erupted. This was the famous story of Dr. Abdul Hakeem Khan. Dr. Khan was a well regarded and educated follower of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. He had written an English commentary on the Quran in English which was advertised in the ROR of 1905. This wasn’t an ordinary follower, he was very high ranking. He was a follower of MGA even before 1891. He was 1 of alleged 313 orginal followers of MGAQ in 1896.
In 1906, Dr. Khan left the ‘A’ and wrote a book entitled, “Al Masih Ad Dajjal”. In this book, Dr. Khan published a copy of a private letter that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had written to him wherein MGA had written that all Muslims were Kafirs with no gray areas. It appeared that MGA was planning to introduce this new theory of his into his books and belief system. However, he had written as such in any of his books as of yet. With the appearance of this letter in the book of Dr. Khan, MGA decided to back-peddle, like he did with his claim of prophethood in 1891 and almost every other doctrine that he had invented, i.e. Jihad. MGA was caught red-handed and now had to plan an escape.
The following year was 1907, MGA wrote a book entitled Haqiqatul Wahy. In this book he addressed the issue of Takfeer, one of his followers asked him about his contradicting writings in terms of Takfeer and asked him to elaborate. He back-peddled out of the statements that he had previously issued and landed on a new strategy. MGA finally landed on a hadith of Muhammad (saw) wherein Muhammad (saw) had said that if a Muslim calls another Muslim a Kafir, the statement reverts to the sender. This was the way that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was able to solve the entire controversy. He was very keen to rely on a hadith that would give him the opportunity to NOT issue any future fatwas on this topic. This was his escape path. He totally confused the situation and was able to deflect all the negative press that Dr. Khan had created.
After Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s death his sons weren’t so nice. Their declarations of Takfeer were much more blatant, they were more aggressive in British India, they attacked Muslims verbally and with the pen. They used this private letter that MGA wrote to Dr. Khan and ran with it from 1911 to 1922. They even went as far as saying that per the Quran, any rejector of any prophet was simply a Kafir. However, in the 1930’s they totally back-peddled and adopted the Lahori point of view on this topic. They were just as keen as their father and they knew that they needed to downgrade their beliefs as per the climate of a changing India wherein the brits might be leaving for good.
In conculsion, Ahmadiyya doctrine is very quick to issue statements in terms of their doctrine and then sit back and view the responses that they get. Then, they back-peddle accordingly. This is nothing new. When I was an Ahamdi, they would tell me that Chanda was mandatory, then they would say: Not really. They recently banned Facebook, a week later: Not really. MGA claimed prophethood in 1891, then he said: Not really, only to change his mind again in 1901.
Furthermore, what are we to expect in the future? I hope all readers and members of the ‘Ahmadiyya-awareness” team realize the modus operandi of the ‘A’ and learn to better breach all topics therein. I pray for every Ahmadi that Allah guides them to Islam.
25 Responses to “Did Mirza Really Call us Kafir?”
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Yes he did
Agree!
actually he started with mujadid and kept rising and finaly he reached to god status ,. regerence book arbaeen
sheikh sab please new news for qadianey people
I don’t think so that we have got any —’Kafir or No-kafir’ bussiness here.
Hazrat Mirza Sahib’s case is very simple. If at all Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is the Promised Messiah and the Mahdi that Rassol e karim (saw) prophesied for; then believing in him is obligatory…upon all the Muslims; no matter what they come up with an argument. Muslim do not stand a chance to stay behind.
After his advent; it is just like the state of affairs of Rasool e karim (saw). The Christian, they knew of him that there will be a prophet…(Deuteronomy 18:18) but they failed to recognize him…
Earlier Jews proved to be the worst that they failed in recognizing their Reformer Jesus (as), Called him imposter and put him on the cross to die a humiliating death but later Quran reveals for us that what kind of transgressors they were and how they were subjected to the wrath of God .
So no doubt; all the Muslims who do not recognize Hazrat Mirza Sahib (as); they fall in the category of Jews the transgressors—whether you call them kafir or No-Kafir
What if your so called “Hazrat Mirza Sahib” himself turns out to be a liar in his claim of “Promised Messiah” and the “Mahdi” and indeed falls under the category of 30 grand liars prophecised by Muhammad p.b.u.h?
This is what you really need to focus on because there are many reasons for this view point to be valid. Read the life history of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and you will see that there is no way he can be a Messiah or a Mahdi. He lied, cheated, cursed others, made several false claims, and in essence cannot be a decent person leave alone being a messiah or mahdi. So in this case all muslims who do not believe in him are right no matter what the Ahmadis say.
Allah Jala-Shan-hou clearly announces that any ‘False claimant’ or anyone who forges any kind of lies or about his special communion with Him; Allh would deal with him very sternly. Allah says: [Al-Haqqah-69:43--45] It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. ()“And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,() We would surely have seized him by the right hand”,() And then surely We would have severed his life-artery”.
Above verse declares that Allah Jal-shana-hou is living God and may take care of the affairs of his domain himself. So if at all Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is an imposter. God Almighty would have duly taken care of this man. On the other hand — if Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is right and True; then I hope the non believers of above verse might be repeating the same folly which the old Israelite (Jews) committed in respect of prophet Jesus (as) at the time of his advent. They got passed even an official verdict of an imposter by Romans against Jesus him and sent Jesus to the cross to die a humiliating death. They kept on boasting about Jesus elimination as imposter for about 600 years till Quran revealed (as said earlier) for us entirely a different story; that what kind of transgressors those Jews were and how they were subjected to the wrath of God Almighty.
To which side we like to stand; depends upon us.
Many many false claimants have lived for decades. Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzubGi24nDQ
Do not twist a verse of the Quran to make a law, attribute to Allah, that Allah did not make.
You are completely,in the quran it says if someone proclaims to be the messiah he will be killed(i am sorry couldn’t find the verse) for example of that some person in turkey he proclaimed to be the messiah and and set up a small group of people how believed in him but when he came to power his assistants he became jealous and killed him to get the power and than the group started collapse than somehow the man got involved in a accident and got killed.This shows that if hazrat mirza gulahm ahmad qadiani was wrong he would have been killed and now the ahmadiyya jamat is 103 years old and is still rising so how can you say that he is wrong? And soon you will see the ahmadiyya jamat rising amen.
1) The Holy Quran does not talk about coming of any Prophet by name Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani.
2) It is not possible that the Knowledge of Allah s.w.t is less than that of an average human being (nauzobillah). The reason why I say this is according to you Mirza Ghulam is a true prophet. Whereas, even a person of average intelligence who reads the life and teachings of Mirza Ghulam (with an open mind) will come to the conclusion that this man was a liar, cheat and a fraud.
3) You be the Judge. Either you are born into this Ahmadiyya religion so that you are trapped in it or you are completely unaware of the facts. You decide what you want to do. For us it is very very clear and Mirza Ghulam is no Prophet or Messiah or Mahdi and we believe in finality of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and do not need anyone like Mirza to tell us what is right or wrong.
Whenever we run in trouble; we run for one deity—All Mighty God for his help; it means we believe that He is a living God. From the same living God; following Quran verse at least serves as a pillar for our faith that Mirza Huzrat Ghulam Ahmed claim of his being a promised messiah may be nothing except… truth.
Allah Jala-Shan-hou clearly announces that any ‘False claimant’ or anyone who forges any kind of lies in respect of Allah or about his special communion with Him. Allah says:
[Al-Haqqah-69:43--45] It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. ()“And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,() We would surely have seized him by the right hand”,() And then surely We would have severed his life-artery”.
Above verse declares that Allah Jal-shana-hou actions are stern in taking care of the affairs of his domain. So if at all Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is an imposter. God Almighty would have duly taken care of this man. On the other hand — if Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is right and True; then I hope the non believers of above verse might be repeating the same folly which the old Israelite (Jews) committed in respect of prophet Jesus (as) at the time of his advent. They got passed even an official verdict of an imposter by Romans against Jesus him and sent Jesus to the cross to die a humiliating death. They kept on boasting about Jesus elimination as imposter for about 600 years till Quran revealed (as said earlier)for us entirely a different story; that what kind of transgressors those Jews were and how they were subjected to the wrath of God Almighty.
We can only pray that; God may save us..!
Ak shaikh sahib is requested to release the comments hanging —awaiting moderation so that some fruitful discussion be generated on this very touchy subject.
Thanks
Amazing how mirzais still support mirza,to me the day i read about his long list of abuses i know that man of such charecters can not be a sane person.
May ALLAH guide all mirzais to islam
Miza Ghulam Ahmed in the light of his writing have been proved lier. abuser and who had a character of a below average person.
he had conradictions in his writing, had dirty peorty about Hindu women, abused opponents like my opponents are pigs and their women r bitches . Book Najmul Hudda, page 53
When somebody will answer about the Surah which I quoted above, where Allah says about the false claimant that. [Al-Haqqah-69:43--45] It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. ()“And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,() We would surely have seized him by the right hand”,() And then surely We would have severed his life-artery”.
In the presence of above; why we are so perturbed and bent upon taking the job of God in our hand when: God does not give any prerogative to anyone except himself.
What is at stake here except our personnel ego; and the vengeance; seen seated in our self?
Anyhow will wait and wait. till such time that some righteous person come up and answer this please..
Many many false claimants have lived for decades. Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzubGi24nDQ
Do not twist a verse of the Quran to make a law, attribute to Allah, that Allah did not make.
Do not twist meanings of Holy Quran, to suit agenda of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It seems this is a common practice of Ahmadis.
PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IS THE LAST AND FINAL MESSENGER
It is mentioned in Surah Al-Ahzab:
Muhammad is not The father of any Of your men, but (he is) The Messenger of Allah, And the Seal of the Prophets: And Allah has full knowledge Of all things (Al Qur’an 33:40)
PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) SENT FOR WHOLE OF HUMANKIND
Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the last and final messenger of Allah (swt), he was not sent for only Muslims or the Arabs but he was sent for the whole of Humankind. It is mentioned in the Qur’an:
We sent you not, but As a mercy for all creatures (Al Qur’an 21:107)
You only want to hear what you want to hear …….right!
No matter how much logic, evidence other people give to you, it does not matter. On one hand you say,
Quote: “why we are so perturbed and bent upon taking the job of God in our hand when: God does not give any prerogative to anyone except himself……” Then on the other hand you have no hesitation is taking place of GOD almighty and pass judgement on others (Jews, Muslims) for not believe in so and so……..and it seems you do not follow your own rules or you conveniently forget your own rules one sentence later.
I truly believe that guidance comes only from Allah s.w.t. and there is no GOD except one ALLAH s.w.t and Muhammad p.b.u.h was his last and final Messenger with message for all humanity, so why would Allah s.w.t need Mirza Ghulam as a Prophet who has been proven beyond doubt to be a liar and a fraud by his own teachings, prophecies and actions.
As far as punishment of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad goes, there have been several documented cases where he cursed others with death and prayed for the death of the liar even during his debate with Maulana Sanaullah Amritsari. In the end the curse came true and the liar of Qadian died before Maulana Sanaullah thereby proving his falsehood by his own foul mouth. This is the sunnah of Allah s.w.t. that he confesses the liar through his own mouth.
What more evidence do you want? It is all there only if you can open your mind and read!!!!!!!
Truth says:
[so why would Allah s.w.t need Mirza Ghulam as a Prophet who has been proven beyond doubt to be a liar and a fraud by his own teachings, prophecies and actions.]
1.First and farmost is that Allah need to ask Mr Truth to send forth any prophet.
2. (Beyond doubt to be a liar and a fraud).. and Imposter so I say that Jews also said the same utterings about Jesus (as0 but Quran reveals for us different that what type of transgressors they were.
Magar Yeh baat aap kaey samajah maen aaney wali naheen
Take care:
Tujhey parraee keya parri hey; Apni nabair tou.
I truly believe that guidance comes only from Allah s.w.t. and there is no GOD except one ALLAH s.w.t and Muhammad p.b.u.h was his last and final Messenger with message for all humanity,
Jesus p.b.u.h was a true and noble Prophet of Allah s.w.t.
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a Kazzab and is among the 30 grand liars who will claim false prophethood.
This is as clear as seing the Sun in broad daylight when there are no clouds for anyone who has an iota of common sense and an OPEN MIND……….
Above : Plz read @ serail 1 as:
1.First and farmost is that Allah need NOT to ask Mr Truth to send forth any prophet or not.
Thanx
Having already established a poor level of your knowledge of Islam, now you are taking it a step further……..and directly attacking me and those who are trying to educate you with the truth…….
Listen do not shoot the messengers…………may be some day you will realize your mistakes……..
The key is how long will it take for you to realize this ……MIRZA GHULAM who even insulted and ridiculed noble and true Prohpets of ALLAH s.w.t like JESUS p.b.u.h …..gave false prophecies, cursed others, lied and cheated several times, attempted to make a mockery of the true teachings of Islam and in the end died in his own curse can NEVER I repeat NEVER be a prophet of ALLAH s.w.t.
READ, READ and more READ is what you need with an OPEN MIND and pray to ALLAH s.w.t. for guidance. InshaALLAH it will come sooner or later. Do not be naive and loose you life in hereafter which is VERY VERY important to a CUNNING person like MIRZA.
You have to decide.
This is a useless debate, I have not met a qadiani in my life who has fully read the books of Mirza Ghulam ahmed. I will ask them to first prove him a common average nice person of the society. A person who abuses ( all total 489 written abuses), some of the abuses like my opponents are pigs & their women are bitches ( book Najmu Hudda, page 53) who forced his son to divorce his wife just because the uncle of that poor lady did not allow to marry mirza Ghulam Ahmed at the age of 58 to a young 15/16 years old girl. read his books tadhkira , 70% of his ilhamat are about money order. who writes to Queen in a shemful manner, like licking the feet. read his two books, Tuhafae qiaeria and qiasera hind. His only pride in life was that his father & brother were loyal to british empire.
he never paid zakat where he loved to write himslef as Raees Qadian. When he married his daughters , the haq mehr was 56000 and 15000 and was resgistered where as when he married his sons , the haq mehr was only Rs.1000 and was not allowed to resgister. Read his book Al wassiya where every qadiani has to pay 10% of his wealth where as his family was exempted. FIRST PROVE HIM A COMMON NICE PERSON, REST WE WILL DEBATE LATER
I appear to have missed this entire engagement.
@ Khokar
I am preparing an article to refute your arguments. You said that Allah would not have allowed MGAQ to have lived if he would have been a liar right?
Well, in Izala Auham (1891), MGAQ acknowledged Yahya (as) as a shaheed. FYI: Yahya (as) didnt live 23 years. His head was chopped off very early in his ministry. Also, the Quran talks about how the jews used to kill the prophets. Also, if Muhammad (SAW) was to be killed (in Uhud) would you have turned back on your heels?
Also…there is a certain report from Tabari that states that Muhammad (saw) died before his time. It is said that he was poisoned.