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Laws of Nature: MTA denying MGA

 

Here’s a video of Mirza Tahir Ahmed commenting on Isa A.S resurrection and coming back. According to him it would take “2 hundered curore years or even more” for a soul or human to come back from heavens.

 

Before further discussion, lets clarify 2 points:

1. Second coming of Isa A.S is not an article of faith. So this article is not to prove or to disprove his coming.

2. Even if Ahmadis prove his death, no one can prove Mirza Ghulam Ahmed ibne Chiragh Bibi was ibne Maryam. There is only 1 ibn-e-Maryam and other is definitely ibne Chiragh bibi.

Discussion:

 

What is a Miracle:

A miracle is a phenomenon not fully explained by known laws of nature, or an act by some supernatural entity or unknown, outside force. A miracle is sometimes thought of as a perceptible interruption of the laws of nature. Others suggest that God may work with the laws of nature to perform what people see as miracles.

So, in all Qur’anic and Biblical, Judaic studies a miracle is something that intervenes with the laws of nature to perform something supernatural.

At 6:00, he talks about Isa on heaven and goes on to saying “so he(Isa) is not a Muslim, that non-Muslim prophet, what is he going to do when he comes back?” In his rage, he did not realize that all the prophets were Muslims and no new religion was given to any nation.

5:111 And [remember] when I inspired to the disciples, “Believe in Me and in My messenger Jesus.” They said, “We have believed, so bear witness that indeed we are Muslims”

In 5:111, Allah tells us that all the apostles of Isa A.S said that “we bear witness, that we are all muslims”.

Anyways, Mirza Tahir Ahmed said ” Are they (prophets) free from the Law of God? Does God interferes or goes against the laws He made, for himself.”

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed says about this in his books, indeed Mirza Tahir never read his prophet.

 

“when there’s an objection on deen, then over there God also changes his “Law” and shows miracles”

 

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Mustafa
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I believe if Dr. AbdusSalam was present in this session, he would have cursed on all the Qadiyanis and their khalifas and entered the fold of Islam. But anyway, now he is on his way to Jahannum (if he hasn’t accepted the truth of Islam).
Mustafa
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I cannot believe how much of this crazy guy’s (MTA) explanation is full of BS. He tried to explain the questioner that it would take some billion years for Hazrat Isa (Alehe Salam) to come back. I feel so sorry for him. Miracles are miracles because they cannot be explained by the laws of physics/ nature. But let’s assume that laws cannot be broken. Then: 1 – What if the speed of Hazrat Isa is tens of millions times more than light? There are new theories emerging which say that breaking light speed barrier is possible. 2 – What if… Read more »
Basharat Ali
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It is enough for a book. I will simply close this article after saying: “For you, your religion and for me, My Religion” Nothing can happen after arguing with Ahmadis, their ears, eyes are locked by God. We are explaining for what? We want to bring them a lighted path but they are finding the excape ways. I know we are drawing their attention to the reality of MGA books but what they will do, they will change the books and innocent people will be decieved then. Think who will be the responsible for that, may be we. because we… Read more »
Let it go
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You are absolutely right Basharat Ali. They are noting weaknesses in their books that is why they ask for references and then change the books. This is their game plan we know that. But what we should do is keep this books as records so when they change it they get caught again. Sound like a plan?
Nasrullah
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@ Yousaf Ahmed thanks for agreeing with me. but it appeared to me that you just wants argument for the sake of argument and not getting anything positive from that, as when i prove any of your point wrong you jumped to another one like jinns are bacteria. and now when i asked you people for the proof of your accusations you just provided the statements which you also agreed are not Hazrat Mirza Sahib’s own words. does any logical person consider this as proof? you in your heart knows the answer of my question which is a big NO.… Read more »
Basharat Ali
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Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say: “What means Allah by this similitude?” By it He causes many to stray and many He leads into the right path but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path).2:26
Ahamdis are always finding the logic so God knew this and already explained in Quran.
They don’t believe in Jinns and finding their scientific logic.
Nasrullah
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Yousaf Ahmed

the statements on the link are not Hazrat Mirza sahib’s own beliefs. you also in your comment said that according to mirza sahib these are not his words. then how could you accuse him for that?
you are not getting my point i think. i want proof of your accusations. i never denied that these statements are not present in Hazrat Mirza Sahib’s books but they do not prove him guilty of accusing Hazrat Isa A.S as he clearly stated that these are not his words he just copied jewish words.

Let it go
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NasrulMGA, Go on, keep defending lies and vulgar language of Mirza Sahib………for us it is clear, Mirza insulted Hazrat Isa a.s. whether he copied from Jews or anyone else, that is why he wrote in his books. This is one more example to confirm that Mirza was not the promised messiah as foretold by Prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h. guaranteed. Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s was a man of far superior character and conduct and he would never have predicted a disgraceful person like Mirza who used to drink alcohol and commit Zina to be the promised messiah. Like we said a million times,… Read more »
Nasrullah
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let it go

for us it is clear, Mirza insulted Hazrat Isa a.s. whether he copied from Jews or anyone else, that is why he wrote in his books.

after failing to provide the proof what else you could say.
you can think what you want to but have no right to impose your ideas, far away from truth, on others.

Mirza who used to drink alcohol and commit Zina to be the promised messiah.

again an allegation without any proof. May Allah guide you to the right path.

Let it go
Guest
We have give you all kinds of proof is there you don’t want to admit it. So what can I say except that you are avoiding the truth.

You don’t know Mirza used to drink wine tonic and commit adultery?

Let it go
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NasrulMGA I did not start a second topic it is to further my claim that Mirza Ghulam was an imposter. Who am I to say this, it is not me who invented all this it is Mirza Ghulam himself who has ridiculed his position and proved that he was a liar and an imposter. As far as fear of Allah s.w.t is concerned I can prove to you that Mirza Ghulam did not have that also and you are doing the same by trying to use the name of holy Prophet the most noble of Allah swt messengers in the… Read more »
Nasrullah
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@ let it go i think you dont know the meanings of the word PROOF. if you copy the words of christians about our holy prophet Hazrat Mohammad PBUH then will it be a proof that you disgrace Him PBUH?????? even if you also declare that these are not your beliefs and you by heart respect Holy prophet PBUH. on the other hand i have provided you all kinds of proof but it is you who dont want to admit it. now your trying to start a new topic because you failed to prove your accusation but what a bad… Read more »
skeptical786
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,
Here are some facts for you:
Ahmadiyyat was founded by your prophet about 100 or some years age.
According to the Holy Quran Islam has been there for centuries.
Do you believe that Islam before MGA was false?
My suggestion is that you wake up and get away from “cloud cookoo land”
Nasrullah
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skeptical786

The FACT my friend is that Ahmadiyyat is not a parallel religion to Islam
Ahmadiyyat is the Same Islam is teached by Our Holy Prophet Mohammad PBUH

Peace
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@nasrulMGA, Ahmadiyyat has nothing to do with Islam and it is a cult founded self proclaimed prophet/messiah/mahdi…..Mirza Ghulam sahib of Qadiyan (servant of the british colonial forces) Ahmadi jamaat falsely claims Mirza sahib was promised messiah as foretold by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) This is a big lie. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had highest regards for Hazrat Isa a.s. and never spoke a bad word about him. Mirza sahib used vulgar, abusive language and hurled baseless accusations against entire family of Hazrat Isa a.s. It is impossible that Prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h predicted coming of a prophet/messiah/mahdi in the form of Mirza Sahib… Read more »
Nasrullah
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Yes i really care about learning the truth.
now will you please help me learning the truth by providing the proof of your accusations that Hazrat Mirza Sahib “used vulgar, abusive language and hurled baseless accusations against entire family of Hazrat Isa a.s.”
Let it go
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NasrulMGA,

Why do you keep asking for proof for things which you already know. I do not understand this ulterior motive of the Ahmadis. What is your hidden agenda that you always ask for proof inspite of knowing it is there?

skeptical786
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“Ahmadiyat is not a parallel religion. It is the same religion as taught by the Holy Prophet.” ?
Allah called his religion “Islam” . Did the Holy Prophet call it by any other name.?
Who founded Ahmadiyyat ? The Holy Prophet? If you have even a speck of moral courage,
or honesty in you you will answer these questions truthfully.
Nasrullah
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my friend in my comments i said that it is the same ISLAM. Ahmadiyyat is not the name of the religion the name of our religion is Islam, Ahmadiyyat is the name of the jamat. i think you know the difference between religion and organizations.
Nasrullah
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@ Yousaf Ahmed Thanks for your invitation i will surely join the forum. and for your comments that i am defending Ahmadiyyat i say that Ahmadiyyat is true Islam in opinion so I am defending my belief. but my comments are not meant to hurt any feelings. and for your statement that you are presenting the truth, i pointed out the faults in different articles and comments but none of you had tried to prove that those objections of mine are wrong. for example i objected on your article “Jinns are bacteria” but you did not bother to clarify. this… Read more »
Peace
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@Nasrullah, You are following the one who invented lies against Allah s.w.t and you are unable to provide any answers for it. example: 1) What proof you have for the vulgar language and false accusations of Mirza sahib against the mighty messenger of Allah s.w.t Hazrat Isa a.s. You have danced around this subject but no have no guts to admit the truth that Mirza sahib had a vulgar mind and evil thoughts. 2) What proof do you have that Hazrat Isa a.s is buried in Kashmir, except saying that Mirza Sahib tried to collect some historical facts. You also… Read more »
Nasrullah
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@ Peace your comments are not related to the topic of this page and also not to my comments on this page but i try to give you answers you need 1) What proof you have for the vulgar language and false accusations of Mirza sahib against the mighty messenger of Allah s.w.t Hazrat Isa a.s. You have danced around this subject but no have no guts to admit the truth that Mirza sahib had a vulgar mind and evil thoughts. you are accusing Mirza sahib so it is your duty to provide proof. come with proof of your accusations… Read more »
Peace
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@NasrulMGA, You have no answer to my questions. 1) You are conveniently denying all Mirza sahibs vulgar accusations against Hazrat Isa a.s. even though a lot of people on this forum can see that it is a FACT that he did write abuses against the entire family of Hazrat Isa. a.s. First you said Mirza Sahib based it on Christian bible. When we asked you for proof of bible you went back and said first prove Mirza sahib insulted, then I will give you proof, so basically you are denying now. You are not consistent and are flip flopping so… Read more »
Rationalist
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nasrullah

I have answered most of your questions…if not, post them again and I will give them a shot.

Rationalist
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Mirza Tahir Ahmad danced around like he was some scientist….that is insane…this guy barely made it through high school…

Ahmadis will regret all of his quack theories soon enough.

Nasrullah
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so irrational you are.
what a stupid argument do you think that knowledge can only be gain through schooling?
Rationalist
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nasrullah

You should study the life of Mira Tahir Ahmad from 1954 to 1964. His daddy committed fraud and got him admitted to a college in England..MTA dropped out very quickly..he was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth…the only thing he had to memorize were Ahmadiyya Polemics….

Let it go
Guest
Nasullah, try explaining your so called rational argument to the Universities in Medicine where Doctors graduate. If he cannot make it in schooling means he is not a good student, simple as that.
Let it go
Guest
MGA claimed he had Ilham (divine inspiration) – – Muhammadi Begum would be his wife, which never happened and he died lusting for her. Did GOD change plan or MGA Ilham was from another source. Food for thought for Ahmadis.

Don’t you see MGA was a false prophet ???

as
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I want to say – you people have nothing else to do – just finger pointing – everyone knows that when you point finger to some body – three fingers are pointing towards you. Have you not heard Hadith of Phophet Muhammad (s.a.w) – about back biting. When you do “Gheebat” – it is like eating flesh of your own brother. Are you a good muslim – Do you say you 5 daily nimaz. Do you make sure your neigbour is well, do you give charity – do you follow all the teachings of Allah and the Prophet, do you… Read more »
Peace
Guest

When a virus attacks your body do you go and do good service to humanity and be a nice person, no you take care by treatment to counter the virus attack.

Ahmadiyyat is a fraud that is falsely using the name of our religion to undermine it take Muslims away from it by replacing with a false ideology and a false prophet, and we are trying to defend our religion against this evil fitna. By the way even if we can guide one Ahmadi to Islam it is worth it. So why are you objecting to this noble cause?

Nasrullah
Guest
MGA claimed he had Ilham (divine inspiration) – – Muhammadi Begum would be his wife, which never happened and he died lusting for her. Did GOD change plan or MGA Ilham was from another source. Food for thought for Ahmadis.

I have no doubt about the claim of Hazrat Mirza Sahib. as far as the question of not happening is concern how does it mean that the claim of ilham was false?

Peace
Guest
When Ahmadis loose an argument, they try to confuse people…….. true means false and false means true. May GOD give hidaya to Nasrullah as he cannot see the truth.
Let it go
Guest
If it did not happen it means, it was false claim. It was not from GOD. Even a grade 5 student can understand this. This was not the only false claim that MGA made, there were several of them turned out to be false. Is Isa a.s in Kashmir????????????????????????????????????
Nasrullah
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(It was not from GOD. Even a grade 5 student can understand this) i dont think that you are right because even a 5 grade student has common sense which is really not very common. i want to give you an example about your argument. If a grade 5 student claimed that his teacher had told him that he is not going to pass the exam but the result was against that claim. then according to you the student is a liar and the claim was false. this conclusion of yours may be right with equal chances of being wrong.… Read more »
Nasrullah
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Do you like to respond on my comment please?
Nasrullah
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It is very clear that from the word non-muslim he means that the person not acting according to Quran and the teachings of Hazrat Mohammad SAW.
Teachings of Hazrat Isa a.s. are very much different to those of Islam
and for the second part you are deceiving as
you deliberately have not provided the name of the book.
Because the reference you are giving is not from the book written by Hazrat Mirza Sahib.
Let it go
Guest
Not true.

According to Holy Quran the teachings of all Prophets including Hazrat Isa a.s ere the same as the teachings of Islam. You are the one who is deceiving us.

Nasrullah
Guest
i think you are not aware of the teachings of Holy Quran. because Holy Quran tells us that Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W is the only prophet who comes for the Whole world and Hazrat Isa a.s. was the prophet only for Bani Israeel. and the teachings of Hazrat Isa was only for that time and is subject to only Bani Israeel but teachings of Islam are for the whole mankind and it has solutions for every problem of the whole mankind.
let it go
Guest
NasrulMGA
Be careful of what you say you may have to bite your own words. According to your Ahmadiyya faith Mirza Ghulam is another prophet after Muhammad s.a.w.s and Islam is not complete yet as more prophets will come.
yasar
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your getting it all twisted from the time of ADAM a.s to MUHAMMED s.a.w all prophets/messengers taught TAWHEED a MUSLIM is 1 who submits his will to ALLAH s.w.t ..so all were muslims ..some things were allowed to previous nations and some not..yet the core was always the same to worship and ALLAH and not to associate any partners with him Islam did not start with our prophet it started from ADAM a.s different nations were called by different names …christians are reffered to as christians becous they followed christ
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