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Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and Baghaya

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An extensive research on the word Baghaya, with everything a person would need.

Mirza GAQ has used this word in various books:
Following is the index of one particular book, Roohani Khazain volume 16. Under the word ‘Baghaya’, there are three entries. The first entry says:
Baghaya i.e. Street women (Zanaan-e-Baazari) and the loss that they had caused to the country and generation, its narration:  pp: 429-432, p.438.

(Because jama’at has taken out the original book from www.alislam.org and replaced it with the book that no more has this index of Vol.16, I have decided to upload it myself. Not a big deal, download here

http://www.2shared.com/document/kaPgBuMg/rk-16-index.html)



For example, in this book Mirza Ghulam has used this word in following instances:
Baghaaya: Zanaan-e-Faasiqa – Corrupt ladies. (Roohani Khazain vol.16 p.426)Baghaaya alsouq: Zanaan-e-Bazaari – Street women. (ibid p.427)Baghiya: Zan-e-Faahishaa – Immoral women. (ibid p.428)

Baghaaya: Zanaan-e-Bazaari (ibid p.428)

Baghaaya: Zanaan-e-Faahisha (ibid p.429)

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truth
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Have’nt seen any videos from A. K. Sheikh sahib lately, hope that he is doing well.continue good work………..mashallah, you web site opens a lot of eyes.
Let it go
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You are doing a great job of educating the masses………. !!!
Junaid Khan
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Good Job ,,,,,Keep it up…Jazak Allah
truth
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Mirza GAQ was a liar, cheat and a fraud. There is no way he could be Messiah. Messiah is only one person Isa (Jesus) Son of Mariam a.s. He falsely used his poor knowledge of Islam and deceived his followers into a quagmire, from where they cannot think outside of the box. Now his followers are mentally confused and keep writing foolish arguments to try to dispute the authentic teachings of Islam, to suite Mirza GAQ lies. What a tragedy for the Ahamdis. Only if they can open their eyes.
Mubashir
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Gentlemen, I am not a big believer of any hadees reports/predictions that do not match the Qur’an. There is no prediction of Mirza Saheb’s prophethood in the Qura’n, neither a Mehdi or a Messiah to come. According to many scholars of the Qur’an, Jesus died and is not coming back. I have a feeling that if we take hadees books out of the picutre, Ahmeddiyat could not survive! Can they prove validity of Ahmediyyat from Qur’an and Qura’n alone (no hadees books please)?
Danish
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@Mubashir: If you don’t bring ahadith into discussion, 99% of the muslims would have to believe that Jesus is not coming back because Quran doesn’t mention this. They keep on mentioning ahadith such as la nabiya baadi to prove their point about the khatam e nabuwat, if they don’t bring ahadith into discussion and simply from Quran they cannot show even one verse that shows that no prophet can come after Prophet Muhammad saw. They cannot even show one verse from the Holy Quran that says that Prophet Muhammad saw is the last prophet. Remember word used is khatam and… Read more »
Rationalist
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truth

You nailed it bro. Ahmadis have been covering up the errors of their master for 100 years.

In fact, the entire concept of Ruhani Khuzain was an attempt by Ahmadi leaders at mixing up references. With the creation of RK, Ahmadis cant find the references that Muslims referred to 50+ years.

truth
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Thanks Bro. Good job!

Isn’t it a shame that the Ahmadiyya cult has been reduced to one lie after another. They now seem to be spending more time trying to defend lies of their cult than solving real problems, this is just one such example.

Naveed Ul Islam
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System does not support unicode, my reply can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1crYIOb22SvJyAAMU42dbkz-6IITAHzenjYaXnvmN7-0
-Naveed
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In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful The author of this blog has several inferences. There is one that Jama’at has moved/changed their literature. First of all, I will point out the original references which are still at alislam.org website and which have not been changed/removed. About the reference of Baghaya, Street woman in the index of the pages; the original page is here: http://tinyurl.com/7djns6q. (Note that the new computerized addition does not have this reference in the new index). But whatever the reason may be, the original page to which this index refers to, is present in… Read more »
Mubashir
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??????? (Excuse me, what Sir/Madam is your name):quotes Mirza Saheb : As I have just stated the harsh language used by me was by way of retort. It was my opponents who first used such language against me, I could have endured their harsh language without making a retort to it but I had recourse to a retort on account of two reasons: One, so that my opponents, being faced with severity in reply to their harsh strictures, might change their tactics and might revert in future to the use of civil language; and two, that the general Muslim public… Read more »
Yousaf
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The writer of this reply doesn’t seem to realize the point. Can you tell me where in the article that I have produced the writer which is me has said that Mirza Sahib has used it for entire ummah? My point is, is this the kind of languages prophets use? Writing thousand times la’anat? Calling Masih of Bible with worst names? Gunning down opponents with Baghaya? saying haram zaada and words like that with versatility. I guess so using harsh words is OK right, so I guess it’ll be ok if we would start calling you people harshly with this… Read more »
Let it go
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You have got to be kidding. Are you saying the vulgar language of Mirza GAQ is the same as holy Quran (Nauzubillah)? I dont think so. Even a grade 5 student will say that the writings of Mirza GAQ especially where he abused Isa. a.s is the language of a Masseh e Dajjal. Still if you cant understand this then call your relgion whatever you like but you cannot force anyone to accept your foolish point of view that Ahmadiyyat is somehow Islam. Leave Islam alone do whatever you like. To you is your religion and to us is ours.
Rationalist
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Let it go

I have uncovered new research from Van Der Linden wherein he writes that MGA plagurized Lekh Ram’s curses towards the narrative of Jesus Christ (as) in the bible. MGA appears to have stole the arguments from the Arya Samaj as he went on his tirade against Christianity.

Danish
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This older index is compiled by Molana Jalaluddin Shams sahib, and not a writing of Hazrat Maseeh Maud (as) so if it is removed from the newer computerized version then it’s not a problem. Jama’at does not need to hide the writings of Hazrat Maseeh maud (as). The older version is still available on http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rkold/rk-16-index.pdf, but even in the older version definition of baghi of a prostitute is correct based upon context. One should go back 2 pages before the index and read page 9 to 10 of the explaination given by Molana Jalaluddin Shams sahib himself stating that Hazrat… Read more »
Yousaf
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Danish,

I am glad that you have actually agreed that yes it does mean prostitute and whatever has been said has been said as it is. Baghi also means deprived of iman but it also means prostitute. Mirza Sahib has used it in both senses and this is good that you accepted it. No matter who he used it for do you think any prophet will use such language for his opponents.

Rationalist
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@???? ??????? Danish Our point is that your jamaat is in the habit of adding and removing certain writings without explanation. A major piece of evidence is the Tadhkirah of 2009 vs. that of 2004. An entire ilham was deleted without explanation. Another piece of evidence is Seeratul Mahdi (1st edition). This book has totally dissapeared. Here’s one more: The Lahoris refer to an event from 1907 wherein Mahmud Ahmad was accused of illicit sexual behavior (see Faruqi, Truth Triumphs). However, this entire event is missing from the books and periodicals of Ahmadiyyat. Can you guys respond to any of… Read more »
Danish
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@???? ??????? Rationalist: I tried to send a comment yesterday, but i guess it went missing. In any case, i would suggest you to come to Holy Quran, which hasn’t been changed and which alone is the guidance. Let’s try to discuss on that rather than talking about which books went have changed and what ilhams are missing and what are not. It’s just a wasting of everyones time. Trying to find examples from Lahoris is just like trying to find allegations against ummul momineen (ra) from the Shia’s. From your comment i got an idea that you have a… Read more »
Rationalist
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Danish

Yes..the Quran hasnt been changed. However, your people are putting twists and turns on it regularly.

Furthermore, I am pointing out the fact that it was Ahmadis (lahoris) who accused Ahmadis of sex crimes and illicit behavior. They were the ones who took the lead in anti-Ahmadiyya polemics.

We are only supplementing their work.

Get the picture?

Rationalist
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Danish

Why are you bringing up the Shias? You didnt even make a point in your statement. Can you be clearer as to what you are referring to??

Ahmadis have been covering up the errors of Mirza for 100 years. Its very sad.

Danish
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@Rationalist: Shias are also muslims, yet they abuse ummul momineen, khulfa and other sahaba.. You got the picture? @Yousuf: I am also glad that you appreciated another meaning of baghi. Yes Hazrat Maseeh Maud (as) has used word baghi for both the meanings in his various writings. But as Naveed Sb has explained to you that when he used this word as zuriyat ul bagha or ibn al bagha it becomes an idiom that means disobediet to a great level, and when he was talking about dancers or prostitutes he simply used the word baghaya which means as is. If… Read more »
Pleeezing
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This is the link from alislam . org, page 438 and Mirza translated baghaya as ” zanan fahisha” or slut in todays language.

Rationalist
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Yousaf

I wrote this a few years ago….enjoy:

http://thecult.info/blog/2010/02/24/new-tadhkirah-vs-the-old-they-play-games-with-books/

True muslim!
Guest
How poor and wrong of you guys! But nice trick 🙂

AHMADIYYAT ZINDABAD!

Rationalist
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@???? ??????? True Muslim Take some time to listen to what we are saying. Do you guys know that “Islami sul ki Filasafee” was translated by Muhammad Ali as “The Teachings of Islam”. Do you know that this was promoted in the ROR for over 7+ years. This is an example of Ahmadiyya deception. In fact, “Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam” wasnt officially translated into english til the 1970’s. In conclusion, there are many degrees of Ahmadiyya deception. I can write up an article on this if the readers are seriously interested. The Rash
Sohail
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by text i meant the definition of baghaya in the index you have shown in the article.
peace
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Thank you for educating the masses about the characterless Mirza. A lot of people do not know that. Your web site is doing a great job of educating the masses in a peaceful manner. We know we do not mean any harm to Ahmadis, however, it is important to realize that certain aspects of the beliefs and practices of Mirza need to be discussed to show Ahmadis that what you are following is in essence a cult based system which has nothing to do with Islam. Through education and dialogue we hope that we can persuade them to realize this.
Asif
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Your index is made up. There is no such index in any book of Hazrat Maseeh Maud (as). I have searched it with my non-ahmadi friends and showed to them that there is no such index in any book of Hazrat Maseeh Maud (as). What a lie.
Rationalist
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@???? ??????? Asif You people keep changing books around. Thats the problem. You have even re-numbered the Quran so that un-educated Ahmadis will never find a reference that we present to them. Furthermore, are you challenging the reference? Do we need to pull the original book? Do you have a copy of that? @???? ??????? Ahmedi.org team In the future we must reference from the original books. Runhai Khazain is always changing as is Tadhkirah. Does anyone remember a few years ago when I found that the 2009 issue of Tadhkirah was missing ilham of MGA wherein he called Muslims… Read more »
Asif
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@???? ??????? Let it go: Firstly, problem is that you guys moderate all the comments and don’t process all the comments. For viewers of your website this should be good enough reason to believe that all you guys are saying is not correct. Secondly, it’s your lame understanding of prophethood due to which you say that Hazrat Maseeh maud (as) stole the personality of Jesus (as) or stole the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (saw). Stealing prophethood is not a matter of joke. If someone would even think of doing that Allah has taken care of that and will take care… Read more »
Danish
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@Mubashir: You are wrong. Bahaullah never claimed that he was a prophet. Just like Jesus never claimed he was a god. Bahaullah spent most of his time in prison and/or in hiding for fear of life. his followers later on made him prophet or god. Probably you are taking about mormons, yes they have some so called prophets and one of them is in jail these days. Name me one of their prophets that has gained fame and opposition like Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as)? As you said yourself, you don’t know what Guru nanak’s claim was, so you shouldn’t… Read more »
Mubashir
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Friends, when stumped for proof, Ahmedis often resort to “Well if Mirza Saheb was a false Nabi, Allah would have punished him and morever, his jamaat would not be flourishing.” They quote a verse in the Qur’an as proof. As far as I understood the verse is about a true Nabi who makes attributes to Allah what Allah has not revealed, would be punished. Baha died a natural death. There are many “Prophets” in Evangalical Christains who claim to be conversing with God/Holy Spirit and nothing happens to them or their followers. Not sure what Guru Nanak claimed, but he… Read more »
Rationalist
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@???? ??????? Asif I know that Muhammad (saw) was unlettered. In that era, that was common. In today’s day and age…there are many people who arent educated on the collegiate level, this stops them from researching references and what not. This is what I am referring to…do you understand that? Ahmadiyyat preys on this shortcoming of the masses and subsequently changes books around so that references are impossible to find. I remember..back when I was an Ahmadi…the #1 response from Ahmadis was that the references that Muslims presented simply didnt exist. THIS IS A BOLD FACE LIE. Later on…I learned… Read more »
Yousaf
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Dear Asif, I dont know why would you say such a lie that we don’t approve comments. I have never disapproved a comment unless it contains swearing. There are so many things I would like to say here. 1.– You say “If someone would even think of doing that Allah has taken care of that and will take care of that”. You see my problem is don’t accept anything believe anything unless you prove it to me. Now, can you please bestow us with your great knowledge Allah took care of which false claimants of prophet hood. I want the… Read more »
Let it go
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Asif, All I can say is that the brothers who have posted the information here true. They are not making any money out of it like the Ahmadiyya cult. It is for education. Prophets are appointed by GOD almighty and they are honest persons. Have you not read the teachings of MIRZA GAQ that are full of lies and false prophecies. You say he had the support of ALLAH, I say no he did not. He was not Maseeh Maud but may be Masseh Dajjal. This is another reason why he did not have the support of ALLAH s.w.t, and… Read more »
Let it go
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The first big lie is that Mirza GAQ claimed to be a Maseeh Maud. There is no such word in Quran or Hadith as far as I know of that says Maseeh Maud. Second big lie is Mirza GAQ claimed to be Messiah. The holy Quran and Hadith refer to only one person as the Messiah and that is Jesus (Isa) Son of Mary peace be upon them. There are numerous times where Mirza GAQ lied and tried to cheat gullible masses in the name of Islam, to serve his Masters. Now Ahmadiyya is so embarassed with his false claims… Read more »
Rationalist
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This should be in the Ahmadiyya starter kit. How can an Ahmadi read this and remain as an Ahmadi??
sohail
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Wow amazing. can you please give the reference of index where MGAQ himself defined baghaya? That’s really something to show our ahmadi brothers.
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