Go here for a tracker of the debate so far.

So now we know why Brother Waqar Akbar Cheema does not like translations of the Quran or Arabic commentaries.  He only likes dictionaries, because he can ignore them and then give his own meaning to any word he wants.  May Allah protect us from such fraud, the likes of which has not been seen since Mirza Ghulam Ahmad — who also manipulated meanings and dictionaries and did not like past scholars or commentators.

In his latest post, he has taken all instances of ‘qad khalat’ and mapped them to ‘madat’ (‘madaa’), and then NEVER given an accepted translation of ‘madaa’.  He ignores the official English translation of ibn Kathir’s commentary and puts his own meaning there.  As I warned him, he is digging a bigger hole for himself, and now that he has put all his eggs in the ‘madaa’ basket, he has nowhere to hide.

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All praise due to Allah who gave us this logical deen, and made us seek the truth, and united us in love and understanding; and we invoke blessings on his Prophet, the most truthful human who ever lived.

Let us recap the debate so far:

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This is a rebuttal to this article by the Respected Waqar Akbar Cheema

Follow-up with references from five great commentators of the Quran (on Urdu site due to Arabic text)

Summary

While Brother Waqar counters the theory of ‘first ijma‘ presented by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, he ultimately agrees with it.  In the process, he probably reads too much into the Ahadith, ignores the built-in context of 3: 144, ignores usage of the phrase ‘qad khalat’ and then reaches a conclusion diametrically opposite to the most logical conclusion (in my humble opinion).

I will address this specific issue at this time, not question the authenticity of the Ahadith, and ignore the host of other issues around Masih Dajjal (Antichrist), Mahdi and Masih ibn Maryam (Jesus).  We have to leave something for later discussions, don’t we? If you have read Brother Waqar’s article, here is a summary of what I will discuss:

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After being dealt a blow in the 2010 ‘hate campaign’ that they concocted in the UK, Qadianis are now using the blasphemy events to put together another case in the media, and they are failing again.

This documentary by the BBC had three parts to it: Christian, Ahmadi, and Shia/Iraq

Please listen to the entire documentary on BBC Radio 4 here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00y2d8r

However, if you cannot access the BBC iPlayer and want to listen to only the Ahmadiyya piece, you can use the player below and stream from our servers:

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Ahmadiyya as a whole have been speechless on John Hugh Smyth-Pigott for the last 18 months or so. Whatever they have said has been from our sources, including the three-page document that the Qadianis published in Ahmadiyya Gazette Canada.

Last week on Rah-e-Huda, their senior-most Maulvi, Ataul Mujib Rashid, ducked a question from a German caller asking about Pigott, saying something about ‘historical context’ and about devoting a full programme to this issue. Is it that complicated? However, we welcome the Ahmadiyya opening up to their followers.

Since the issue is so complicated (!), can we please request our readers to to pose some questions for Ataul Mujib. After the Qadianis do a show on Pigott as they have promised, we will follow it up with a video insha Allah to see if the answers were in good faith so that Ahmadis can make up their minds.

http://thecult.info/blog/2010/03/27/john-hugh-smyth-pigott/
http://www.qarchives.com/confluence/display/qarchives/John+Hugh+Smyth-Pigott

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Waqf-e-Jadid(posted on behalf of Rationalist, a heartfelt response to the Waqf-e-Jadid year end harassment in December)

Dear Masroor,

You have your local Presidents (Sadrs) and Qaid’s running around scraping every Ahmadi for the last bit of their financial resources. “The year ends, the year ends”—this is the rhetoric that is spewing from every Ahmadi who is in a leadership position in your Cult. You have Murrabbis running around and asking for pledges, they are saying, “just make a pledge” and then they skate off and make the Qaids sniff for the money trail.

In the last couple of days my cousins have reported receiving text messages, phone calls and emails. Does the organization really need the money that bad? Is the population of Ahmadis rapidly decreasing? Why are you trying to squeeze Ahmadis for every red penny? Is the jamaat in financial turmoil? Is Rafiq Hayat in financial ruin?

And where does the money go? Why is it that you have deliberately hidden the facts about the allocation of charitable funds as collected by your cult? There is a Tajneed (Census) list that exists in every country and every jamaat, and it is like a Social Security Number for Ahmadis. It is basically a list that tells Masroor what Ahmadis have been naughty or nice. You know as to who is paying and who is not, that is how you judge dedication, is it not? Don’t you give promotions based on how much an Ahmadi has donated?

Let my people go!!! You have trapped my fellow Punjabis in a web of payments. Like Malcolm X explained, “these people believe their religious leader as divine, hence the psychology is to ask NO questions and continue the volunteer work.” Ahmadis earnestly believe that they are doing the work of Allah, but it is obvious that this is a fraud.

Do you believe in the Day of Judgement? Why have you pacified Ahmadis with jalsas and ijtemas? Do you wonder why Ahmadis are leaving? The one that cant leave are trapped into your Cult and are forced to pay or be publicly humiliated. We are tired, we are sick, please for the sake of Allah loosen your grip. You have the brainwashed my entire family. I want my brothers and sisters back! My parents are blindfolded, my cousins have been hoodwinked, my friends have been disenchanted, please STOP for the sake of Allah.

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Collecting from the Poorest of the Poor
The Qadiani Ahmadiyya collect money from the poorest of their poor at the prescribed rates, which combined, total to about at least 8.25% (6.25% + 1% + 1%) of net income. Not even welfare and unemployment benefits are exempt. The provision for exemption is rarely used as writing to the spiritual head (Khalifa) is considered embarrassing. Anecdotal evidence proves that in order to not be expelled, Ahmadis are forced to lie about their income or are forced to work illegally while claiming benefits. Here, we explore this exploitation, and then the strange way the Qadiani Ahmadiyya configure their international finances.
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Alhaji Sulaiman Aderounmu is the founder of an Islamic organisation, “Itaniji sinu esin Islam” in Ibadan. In an interview with the Nigerian Compass, he said:

Is it true that members of Ahmadiyya cannot pray behind an Imam who is not a member of the society?

It is true that the Ahmadists don’t pray behind an Imam who is not a member of their society and because of this, they are not given the privilege of performing the Hajj pilgrimage except they didn’t indicate in the hajj form that they are Ahmadiyya. . . . (continues talking about theology)

What are Islamic clerics doing on the Ahmadiyya’s case?

Even if a mother give birth to twins, they cannot have the same behaviour and Prophet Muhammed said when the world is coming to an end, there will be 71 different Islamic denominations and it is only one that will be His approved denomination because other denominations are founded because of what the Clerics want to eat.

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by Amjad Saqlawy

Amjad Saqlawy

Amjad Saqlawy

The beginning of my story with the Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) is from the time when I used to think a lot about the emergence of Imam Mahdi (may Allah Almighty be pleased with him and make us his servants) and I always used to wonder when will he rise to save us all from this injustice that afflicts Muslims around the world. This continued until someone very close to me (soon) from occupied Palestine (whom Allah had returned safely to the bosom of Islam) – a person who was near to my heart and younger by a few years. This person surprised me by the faith he now professed, and told me that he now believes in a person named Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani — a prophet and messenger, a saviour, and the promised Messiah. I told him it is impossible that he arose, and died, and we did not hear about it . . .

I asked to borrow the books he has read, and once I got them, I read them all in two weeks (or even less) — day and night — I was bent on reading those books. I remember, for example, the explanation of Surah Kahf, a part of the ‘Tafseer Kabeer’, ‘nasikh’ and ‘mansookh’ , ‘why we are opposed’, and some other articles. I also read a number of issues of the magazine ‘Al-Bushra’ that is published from Haifa (Kababeer, Israel, which is the first Qadiani centre in the Arab world, and which embraces the so-called State of Israel) . . . this is what I recall . . .

After long discussions with my close friend who Allah had returned to Islam, he said to me, “why do you not pray to Allah and ask Him to show you (istikhara) which way the truth is?”

I said ‘OK’ and that was the catastrophe . . . the Qadianis lure people into their traps in this way . . . through dreams and visions.

I saw in a dream that I am looking at the TV screen and I see a Qadiani mosque and minaret on the local TV channel. I was completely ignorant of the dream and its interpretation – which was that they will penetrate the Arabic media (and this is what happened now when they opened their Arabic channel) – and I interpreted it as meaning that they were on the truth.

I cannot describe that period except that I was almost in euphoria psychologically and mentally that the Saviour of the world has come. Respected readers, it is very strange – for I am very strong in faith and Islamic jurisprudence, and I grew up in the arms of the sheikhs (religious scholars) — and what they did to me was impressive that they were able to brainwash me, and this is where their danger is . . .

Then I went to the (Qadiani) Ameer of the region and pledged allegiance (baiat) and obedience and signed the baiat document and attended a few Friday prayers with them and got to know a few of them. . . .

Then soon after, I began to think

The first thing that get me out of their religion is a hadith of the Messenger of Allah (saw) – that I am the last of the prophets and you are the last ummah — and asked this question to more than one of them, and they were not able to explain it as it is their habit.

Then I looked into their beliefs once again and found it all to be ridiculous interpretations that are not acceptable by any sane person.

When you enter the Qadiani, you have to throw behind your back all the old ideas and start all over again to learn about Islam – Jinn are not Jinn, and the miracles are not miracles, and the fire is not fire, and Adam is not the Adam who we know . . .

Then I thought of the question of the Antichrist (Maseeh Dajjal) – how can the Qadianis say that the Antichrist is the forces of evil in the world, when their false prophet has said that it is obligatory to obey the British. We have a conflict here: if you ask any Qadiani now, ‘who is the Antichrist who will be killed by their Mahdi?’; they will say to you ‘America’. Good, but it was not America in the past that was the force of evil during the time of Mirza the Liar but it was Britain – then how can you say that obedience to the British was obligatory . . . and it was the leader of the forces of evil in the world. And then Britain ended and was replaced by Russia and America, and they were saying before the fall of Russia that the Antichrist is Russia, and then Russia fell, and they said it is the United States and when America will fall, they would say is some other . . . and so on . . .

Then what caught my attention most was – where is the victory that we dream of? where are those promises from the Messenger of Allah (saw) ? God forbid that the messenger of Allah (saw) was a liar in his promises, as the Ghulam (Qadiani) was a liar. I also asked them the same question and they told me the first hundred years will be the victory . . . and I do not remember the rest of the three hundred years, meaning that victory will come after three hundred years. What a nice invitation where we will not get anything but oppression for three hundred years, — this is something really funny . . .

And after realising the serious implications of their books, I looked at them again impartially. I discovered monsters and discovered that Qadianis themselves do not understand their religion, rather they are ignorant of it and do not know a thing about their alleged prophet . . .

This is the summary of my story with the Qadianis.

And I am announcing that I will write a lengthy book that will demolish their webs and it will divide them up – so that my dear friend’s dream comes true: he saw, when he did istikhara before he joined the Qadianis, that I was the imam of the mosque of the Qadianis and a large group of Qadianis were praying behind me; and when I change their direction and they are changing their direction behind me to the one I chose. I ask Allah to be as He wants me, and that He makes me a servant of the Imam Mahdi whose news was given to us by (Muhammad saw) – not the one claimed by the liars. Ameen and enable us all to love Allah and the Messsenger.

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